Libby German and Abby Williams were murdered in Delphi, Indiana on Feb. 13, 2017. If it predates the Delphi murders, it's likely someone he "memorialized". My guess is there are inconsistencies between the 2 interviews and they're putting the heat on him to cough somebody up. "True Crime Jesus" on Youtube has convincing videos about different POIs. I think it's quite plausible that the guy was walking carefully because of a rotting bridge. Whatever the case, his interview raised so many questions in my mind. R150 I think theyve ruled that out. The disgraced Judge is now representing one of the Delphi meth heads whose gang could have killed the Delphi girls. This tragedy brought out so many scummy true crime fame whores. I was sure it was Chadwell, so I dont want to get my hopes up again. MYSTERY continues to surround the so-called Delphi Snapchat murders, nearly five years on from the killings of two teenage girls in Indiana who were found dead near a train track back in 2017. Not sure why, when the whole thing is grotesque. The video shows the suspect walking along the bridge behind Libby and Abby. R446, the phone was factory reset 9 days after the murders. However, Bluestine said some features of the case made it subject for greater inquiry. Highly unlikely theyre not in the loop. That's got to be the guy. I only found about the questions after the noon deadline but not sure what I would ask. He told the jurors that he had indeed given the statement Durnell described to police, but said it had been done so under duress, coerced by a promise to let him see his mother, whom they said had been taken to the hospital upon hearing of his arrest. Garnett, he said, was the son of Lawrences uncle, but was living with his mother, Betty Garnett, and a stepfather, Sam Whitaker Jr., on South Adams Street in the borough. All they have is a few words and a blurry image. No? I have read on Reddit that the girls were nude or that one was and the other wasnt. The other investigators corroborated Durnells testimony, although under the objection of Garnetts court-appointed attorney, V. Clayton McQuiddy of West Chester, the statement was not read in court. Reminds me of this sick fuck. Can anyone summarize? I thought well, maybe most women have nails like that and Ive just never noticed. but doesnt live there. R23 Thats awful. Apparently an agent was home visiting family there when it happened and brought the FBI in. It would have echoed in the woods far and wide. Delphi Bridge murder victims Abby Williams, 13, and Libby German, 14, were found to have lost a large amount of blood when discovered dead close to an By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. (Sic?). I just read the link in R288 and hes a Trump supporter lol. Or at the very least, they know because of how different you are since the murders," he said. Definitely, that raises a red flag, she said. These were produced by information gained from witnesses near the area during time frame. That said, the writing style to me reads as a man in either law enforcement or law. What's the update? I too can't imagine having to review footage like that and not having it get seared into your mind. Stay away from places like this. Within days of the killing, showing two grainy photos of a hat-wearing suspect walking on the abandoned railroad bridge the girls had visited, Liberty's older sister Kelsi German revealed in February 2020 that she is studying forensic science in the hope of one-day helping to solve who killed her sister, Kegan Anthony Kline, 27, was identified as the man behind the catfish account, Grandparents of victim Libby German, Becky Patty, left, and her husband Mike Patty, speak during a news conference, Brother of suspect in 2017 Delphi railtrack murders says he's 'absolutely' capable of killing two girls after 'kidnap', released by police within days of the killings, pleaded guilty to abducting, beating, and molesting a nine-year-old girl, Independent Press Standards Organisation (IPSO). We know that this is about power to you, and you want to know what we know that one day, you will.. The girls had noticed the pervy guy earlier when they later noticed him following them across the abandoned train trestle. I hope this revives momentum in the investigation and finally leads to an arrest. While interesting, I found it almost unwatchable due to the poor sound editing. Maybe the killer used sticks to make crosses near the girls' bodies. I had not even thought about the fact the guy could have gained weight! Chadwell, of Lafayette, was investigated in connection to the crime shortly after his arrest. Im guessing it wasnt this guy since its been a while without any news. license plate, year, make, model, color). Three years in, here's everything we know about the investigation into the murders of Libby and Abby: It was an unseasonably warm day and an unexpected day off from school when friends Liberty German and Abigail Williams decided to visit the trails near the Monon High Bridge and take some photographs. But then, if he was, was that track common knowledge, or do you think he saw the girls earlier and followed them down? Delphi was 76 years old at the time of death. If someone has knowledge of nonpublic information about the cause of death, they probably did it or know who did. The main suspect/killer is probably well-connected, like a local politician's son. It's crazy. sometimes it takes time, especially with a backwater PD. He sat there and waited for his target victim to enter the path when it was empty. Theres a tin working on the case as well as FBI. Also they provided the time stamps of the video, which correlates with the time that Libby uploaded the pictures. The timing of the girls recording, their death and the finding of their bodies also meant the killer acted quickly which likely means he had a confidence in surroundings. What happened on that unusually warm February day remains a mystery to this day to everyone but Liberty German, Abigail Williams and the man who murdered them. Delphi Timeline: The investigation into the murders of Libby and Abby. We still have the up and down days is the best way to put it, he said. This is one of those cases that was fucked up from the beginning due to the total incompetence of local law enforcement. Stranger to the two victims. But still killing two teenage girls who decided at the last minute to take an unadvertised hike? . Nope. Most serial killers have a "type" of victim that they fantasize about about. Nor have they released the cause of death, but certain horrific details have been leaked. Previously, police could only collect samples from those suspects who were convicted of a felony in the state. Abby responds, "Hmmm." There should be no evidentiary protection in releasing that unless LE is protecting their decisions to have many untrained personnel search, then stop the overnight search, and then refuse the dogs who were en-route from another city. i thought i read that this bridge was supposed to have signs posted saying not to cross it BECAUSE it was so dangerous, rotting wood, etc. Yes indeed, we too use "cookies." Eyewitnesses had seen a man in the area. Does LE already know who it is? And even if it was payback for something drug related, it would be a clean execution. The audio isn't clear. Carter added that investigators believe the suspect was between 18 and 40 years old, but likely looks much younger than his age. Authorities say Nations is not on their radar at this time. The only way we will resolve to gain justice for Abby and Libby, for their respective families and our caring community, is to remain dedicated to the preservation of said integrity. What was the other one? LE were deeply traumatized by the crime scene. Kline reportedly admitted to police that he'd use the bogus accounts to talk to underage girls, contacting both people he knew and didnt know. I hope this guy ROTS. 679215 Registered office: 1 London Bridge Street, London, SE1 9GF. I mean if they weren't involved in murder and drug smuggling it shows that they pick and choose their cases. There's video of Chadwell in 2016 with the tattoo already on his arm, r388. I really wonder if this case would have looked different if the families had been wealthy rather than dirt poor. The guy in the video is way older. I dearly hope they find the shitbag who did this and that there's a hell waiting for him at the end of the line. R245 You are saying BG has nothing to do with the crime? Sorry R91 posted it before I read through. It's not him. Does anyone else remember this?? One of them started filming him but stuck her phone in her pocket when he got close so he wouldn't see it. "The ties are starting to rot. My best guess, and I believe this has been said by many people, is that the details around the cause of death are known to only a select number of people, including the killer(s). I do believe he got them to cooperate and keep quite by holding a weapon on one girl and telling them one sound and she was dead. In the attack he was arrested for, her family says the 9 year old was bleeding out of her eyes from the strangulation? Dont remember specs well enough . not sure these girls were even old enough to menstruate. I guess what bothers me is how calm he sounds on the recording. R62- Do you think he was "speaking code" to the killer? I wonder if they were taken somewhere else, killed, and their bodies returned to the river after the search was called off. The guy on the video has nothing to do with the crime, but the cops think he does. Of course they are updated. Several feet behind her, a blurry figure can be seen behind a tree off to the side of the trail. That can happen and then it's usually a big sum. It looks pretty likely that Chadwell, the man arrested for sexually assaulting and holding a 9 year old girl captive in his basement, is the Delphi killer. They've never publicly released information as to what exactly happened to the girls, though one can only assume they were likely sexually assaulted before being killed. Why was there no mention of two girls screaming loudly while being stabbed to death? They have no evidence to tie this guy on audio or the video other than snippets of poor quality. "After I started my forensics classes, I understood more of why we don't have all the answers," Kelsi said. Not sure this guy would have tried to grab a couple of young boys, but who knows? Did one or more than one set of footprints lead searchers to the area where the girls were found? I used to regularly take my family dog out for a walk in a wooded area near my house when I was a teen, it wasn't a popular area but every so often I'd cross paths with someone and even as a well built teenage guy with a german shepherd I felt vulnerable, so I can only imagine how those girls must have felt in their final moments. As we were leaving the room, he said, OK. As for the FBI, are they even involved? Both sketches show a thin lipped man. eta: The blood and tissue under Libby's fingernails might be her own. Way back the theory was - one of the girls (A?) We all knew this sick piece of shit would kill again. I just hope LE has enough evidence against him for a conviction. Click on the bottom of the OPs post to read all 630 comments. Delphi Lawrence died at the age of 70 years. Such a smart little girl. To make him nervous, paranoid that detective knows something about him or who he is? Somebody out there knows who this person is. r288 that's chilling. He did not take answers during or after the press conference, however his remarks at the time seemed to indicate that cops believed they were close to zeroing in on the suspect. It's this Chadwell dude to a "T". They do say it..a couple of them summarize it. Like they had a name, someone to watch? A. He said he offered to take her home and try to help, but that his stepfather overruled him. You've seen too many movies. The sketches were composed from witness accounts of two separate individuals who were in the area on the day of the murders. He said he would take her home, Garnett testified. Here's some pics of the dad, But honestly all these white guys look alike. They stayed for most of the testimony, but left when medical examiner Halbert Fillinger testified about the case of death. He took and killed both girls, but he only wanted one of them The eyes on the tattoo are telling. There were no trail cams, at the time of the murders. He had been planning to take them somewhere to abuse sexually and torture over a day or more. Investigators say speculations, rumors and comparisons can actually do more to hinder the investigation than to help it. There is a similarity in the way they speak. We do that so when we get key evidence, only the killer or killers know the cause of death. Delphi Lawrence (23 March 1932 11 April 2002) was an English actress. That doesnt mean he didnt know their parents or someone close to them someone he may have wanted to pay back. Q. Anybody here know anything about that? That should be the answer And right after the crime happened, i remember reading that le was checking stores in the area, to see if they sold a certain type of knife. There is a photo on the internet of Libby in her casket. My theory is that it was catfishing through Snapchat to abuse Libby. The bereaved older sister said she has also listened to the audio clip captured by Liberty "about a million times. Before the murders, Libby had her aunt do a factory reset of her phone (Libby's phone) because it was acting up. Police, including West Chester Detective Carl Durnell, and Chester County Detectives Frank Judge and L. Dyer Henley, had focused their attentions on Garnett soon after Delphis body was found in the creek on April 4, 1971, a month after her disappearance. God, they have to catch this piece of human garbage! In that first sketch, shown below, detectives say the mans hat was changed to make his facial features more recognizable. The Libby Abby subreddit has been locked and gone to private. Investigators worked up a composite sketch of the man in the photo. Mr Sautereau confirmed the death but refused to comment further. Delphi Lawrence was born on March 23, 1932 in the neighbourhood of Hampstead, which is located in the city of London, England, UK. It's unclear now whether Kline is being investigated as a suspect in the case. She appeared as Vera Charles in various touring productions of Mame, opposite such stars as SusanHayward, CelesteHolm, AnnSothern, and JulietProwse playing the lead role (Mame Dennis). The sheriffs face was extremely flushed and became became beat red by the end of the briefing. It was almost like it was a family member who did this.. The walkway they crossed was pretty damaged and he must have had prior experience of walking it, as he crossed it pretty quickly. They have not released any pictures of the Delphi murders scene. Theyd have to have enough evidence to support a conviction if theyre going to charge him. Maybe the families meant that the girls going to the bridge that day was not due to being specifically catfished on that day. That person, he said, was his stepfather, Sam Whitaker. Short legs, but not abnormally short. Or someone prominent? It just seems odd for a serial killer to strike in the remote area hoping a couple of teenage girls stroll by. DNA found at the scene may or may not be connected to the murderer. His voice sounds similar. I always roll my eyes at the 'owed money to drug dealers' theory. R68 my assumption would be that it was as simple as she fought him more. I have no feelings of hatred towards him, because I dont know him, or what the circumstance are surrounding the case, he said on Friday. She once had to pull out of the production suffering from exhaustion. The poster who kept saying they wouldnt be tipped off by police is ridiculous and has been proven wrong. The picture looks pretty similar to the sketch. Also as his thinner legs demonstrate, he's not as big as you might think. He convinced her that he loved her and when she agreed to marry him he coldly dumped her and never spoke to her again. We have created a browser extension. No stone should be left underturned! Of course I may be wrong, but she comes off as shady to me. What happened to the girls doesn't have to have been "freaky" to upset people, just finding them partly clothed or nude and dead, possibly posed, would be bad enough. R13 if ever someone deserved a kick in the cuntbonesend him flying right off that bridge. That tattoo made my blood freeze. He freely admitted he was fucked up for life because of it. I dont believe it was family. i was wondering about this as well. The girls' causes of death have never been disclosed and their killer has never been found. DELPHI Three years ago, two young girls went for a walk. But despite all of the evidence released to the public, investigators have always been open about the fact that they are holding some of it close to their vests with the goal of having information that only the killer would know when they finally arrest him. In the text, the man said that Abby was clothed and sitting up against a tree. I remember this being national news when it happened. A woman took photos and gave them to LE. I am starting to wonder if they really dont have much of anything beyond what we have seen. It looks terrifying even without the psycho killer lurking. For example, if you listen to the sound clip (the best version is on FBI website, you can clearly hear one of the girls yelling Oh, my GOD! between the Guys and Down the hill. According to one family member who heard the recording, the sound of a gun being cocked can also be heard. They have loud piano music drowning out the grandmother right now. Would you like Wikipedia to always look as professional and up-to-date? A cop? This reminds me of driving on the West Side Highway in Manhattan in August 1977. The jury of sex men and six women, however, accepted the pleas of Garnetts attorney and declined to sentence him to death. State police served a search warrant at a nearby property, but no arrests were made. Where was Brenda Dickson? With investigators remaining tight-lipped about the unsolved investigation and years since a Delphi murders update, several true-crime media veterans and former investigators have tried to pick up some of the slack as far as public interest in the case over the years. And it was in no way someone going rogue. This was a deliberate move by those handling the case to draw someone out. Please complete the process by verifying your email address. It was news. as he communicated with others. Those reddit links are all over the place. Yes, this one horrifies me. Whats with all the secrecy from the cops? A man was walking toward them, wearing jeans, a hoodie, and a coat, with his hands in his pockets. R252 you are a troll. "'Everybody sees a person differently. It seems he came prepared with a weapon. By bits and pieces, they told me it was a relative that did the killing, Lawrence said in an interview earlier this month. 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